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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fincke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, Eric Steinhart pointed out that &#8220;Much entails atheism but atheism entails little&#8221;, which inspired F.O. to write to me, Now I just think about how much it took me to really admit to myself that I was an atheist, using that word and not any other alternative, and I found that funny somehow. Why does [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, <a href="http://camelswithhammers.com/2011/02/07/the-positive-content-of-atheism/" target="_blank">Eric Steinhart</a> pointed out that &#8220;Much entails atheism but atheism entails little&#8221;, which inspired F.O. to write to me,</p>
<blockquote><p>Now I just think about how much it took me to really admit to myself that I was an atheist, using that word and not any other alternative, and I found that funny somehow. Why does that word seem so scary?</p></blockquote>
<p>I too took a little while to go ahead and use the &#8220;A&#8221; word.  In my case I used the politer, more politically correct, and less coarse sounding substitute &#8220;A&#8221; word, &#8220;agnostic&#8221;, which is to the &#8220;A&#8221; word what &#8220;frigging&#8221; is to the &#8220;F&#8221; word.</p>
<p>And why was this?  Because the word atheism was misrepresented linguistically to me.  Atheism required <em>absolute certainty </em>that there was no God.  And as a result of this, even though I was well over 90% sure, I could not call myself an <em>atheist</em>, unless I was going to speak<em> crudely </em>(since, really, who has 100% certainty about <em>anything, </em>let alone the existence of God).  But the standard choice between agnosticism and atheism is a<em> false</em> choice because agnosticism and atheism are positions on distinctly different questions, not alternative answers to the same question.</p>
<p>Agnosticism is one of two answers to the question about <em>whether we can have knowledge</em> that deities either do or do not exist.  And one can say either that we <em>can, </em>in principle, have such knowledge (and thus be a gnostic) or say that, in principle, <em>no one </em>can have such knowledge (and thus be an agnostic).</p>
<p>Alternatively, agnosticism and gnosticism can also be answers to the question of whether a particular person thinks or feels herself to actually know whether or not there are deities.  So, while in principle someone might be a gnostic who thinks knowledge of whether or not there are deities is <em>possible</em>, she may <em>herself </em>be undecided as to how to answer the question, while she considers the evidence.  So, this sort of person is only provisionally and personally agnostic.  She only says she does not know because she has not concluded her investigations.  But, nonetheless, she believes knowledge to be possible either that there is or is not a God of some sort.  But, on the other hand, principled agnosticism logically leads straight to personal agnosticism.  If one thinks in principle no one can know whether or not there are deities, then he is committed to saying he himself cannot, and therefore does not, <em>know </em>whether there are deities.</p>
<p>But the positions of atheism, monotheism, polytheism, deism, pantheism, panentheism, etc. all answer a different question than whether or not in principle there can be knowledge about the existence or non-existence of deities.  Atheism<em> </em>represents either one&#8217;s knowledge claim that there are no gods (if one is a gnostic atheist who thinks that there can be such knowledge) <em>or </em>one&#8217;s lack of belief in any gods (if one is an agnostic atheist who thinks that no one at all can have knowledge about whether there are gods or not, and on account of this refrains from beliefs in gods, as a matter of default).</p>
<p>One is an atheist <em>as long as </em>one lacks beliefs in gods.  One does not need <em>absolute certainty </em>that there are no gods.  One can be an agnostic atheist who lacks beliefs in gods because that seems like the most rationally and ethically responsible thing to do when there is insufficient evidence.  One can even be a gnostic atheist (as I am) without having <em>absolute certainty </em>that there are no gods.  Knowledge rarely, if ever, requires <em>absolute certainty</em>.  There are many things we regularly claim with justification to know because they meet sufficient thresholds of likelihood that they are true.  I can (and do) think the likelihood there are no personal gods is so very high that I have knowledge that there are no personal gods.  I am open to the possibilities of an &#8220;impersonal source of all being&#8221; as a potential knowledge discovery.  So I believe we can in principle possibly know that such a being exists, although I am personally agnostic on that point since I am completely unclear on whether one does exist as things stand now.</p>
<p>So, with these clarifications, it should be obvious that many people who think it would be crude, rude, impolite, and presumptuous to use the &#8220;A&#8221; word are mistaken.  There is nothing excessively arrogant or forceful or aggressively anti-theist to simply admit either that one one lacks belief in gods or that one believes that in all likelihood that there are no gods.  These positions are neither inherently antagonistic nor even intellectually overreaching.</p>
<p>But it is in the theist&#8217;s interest to convince people (a) that atheism necessarily involves much more certitude than it does, (b) that atheism is identical with other positions, like nihilism or even anti-religiousness, (c) that knowledge requires absolute certainty and so no careful thinkers could ever say they know there are no gods, (d) that agnosticism only ever means remediable personal uncertainty and never takes the form of an intrinsically atheistic, principled rejection of theism as a possibility altogether.</p>
<p>These misconceptions are peddled hard so that reasonable people will be repelled by atheism as inherently an extremist position when it is <em>not</em>.</p>
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<p>Many principled agnostics are agnostics precisely because they are opposed to the sorts of rash and dishonest leaps of faith that would make belief in God ever possible to them, and so they lack belief in God in a principled, enduring, <em>atheistic </em>way (even if they want to be sticklers about also not saying they <em>know </em>there is no God).  They are rightly, by default, identifiable as atheists, whether they are averse to such words that scandalize polite society or not.  And all throughout life, knowledge does <em>not</em> require <em>absolute certainty, </em>so those gnostic atheists who claim to know there are no gods are not any more extremist or presumptuous or fundamentalist or faith-based than anyone else is on any of thousands of knowledge questions.<em> </em></p>
<p>This is the value of &#8220;dictionary atheism&#8221;, limited as it may be in the ways that <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/why_are_you_an_atheist.php" target="_blank">PZ Myers</a> and <a href="http://camelswithhammers.com/2011/02/07/the-positive-content-of-atheism/" target="_blank">Eric Steinhart</a> have recently pointed out.  The dictionary atheist asserts that atheism is only the lack of belief in any gods<em> </em>and has no inherent positive content beyond that.  There is a liberating and galvanizing power in this broad and true definition.  This definition makes clear just how many more people really are atheists than currently admit they are.  Some deny their atheism only to others but some are indenial about it even to themselves.  Some are afraid to admit it and some are just confused by the misleading definitions given to them.  But they are atheists and they should be proud of it (or at least indifferent to it), rather than ashamed or otherwise bothered by it.  There is nothing wrong with them.</p>
<p>And unlike Sam Harris, I don&#8217;t think we should abandon the &#8220;A&#8221; word as superfluous or merely negative.  I think we should embrace it as the most common denominator of people whose thinking is free of gods.  While this common denominator is too general, abstract, broad, and encompassing by itself to lead to constructive positions about other important issues, it is nonetheless a position in which many otherwise diverging people can find a key point of common ground as they reason together and as they reason against the value of god-based inferences.</p>
<p>Atheism itself does not give us an ethics, a metaphysics, a politics, etc.  But it can and should unite us in the common concern to work out such important questions in ways that dispense with references to faith-based, god-based beliefs.  It can and should unite us politically and socially against all those who want to formally or informally marginalize us for not toeing the culturally dominant theistic line.  It has been, and should continue to be, a valuable component of numerous positive alternatives to theism, each of which can identify with each other at least on the level of their atheism, even should other of their positions cause strong disagreements.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to be scared of, closeted Atheist.  You can admit you&#8217;re one of us.  In most ways, it is not the really as big a deal as you have been told it is&#8212;and, at the same time, in other ways, it is.</p>
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		<title>Agnosticism or Atheism?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fincke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Huxley coined the word agnostic as a play on words. He was a philosopher who was irritated about the metaphysical presumptuousness of the philosophers around him who all seemed to know the secrets of the universe as though they had some special knowledge about things no one can really know about. He compared them, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Huxley coined the word agnostic as a play on words. He was a philosopher who was irritated about the metaphysical presumptuousness of the philosophers around him who all seemed to know the secrets of the universe as though they had some special knowledge about things no one can really know about. He compared them, derisively, to the gnostics of the early Christian church. The gnostics were a sect of Christians who believed they were in on secrets that Jesus gave to a handful of his disciples but not the others. Gnostic in Greek is one of the words for &#8220;to know&#8221; and so the &#8220;gnostics&#8221; were those who thought they had &#8220;special knowledge.&#8221; It&#8217;s basically like &#8220;those in the know.&#8221;</p>
<p>SO, Huxley compared overly presumptuous metaphysical speculation and confidence to the gnostics, a sect believing it had secret knowledge. He contrasted himself to them by calling himself an &#8220;agnostic&#8221; (a &#8220;not gnostic&#8221;) who had no special knowledge about the secret metaphysical/theological truths of the universe.</p>
<p>So, the word agnostic has grown to mean a position of confessed not-knowing in almost any area of disputable beliefs. But primarily it applies to the theological position of declaring yourself as not knowing whether or not there is a God. Some Christians like to distinguish two types of agnostics: those who say THEY just don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s a God and those who claim NO ONE can ever know whether there is a God. Clearly Huxley meant the latter. He meant to claim such matters were inaccessible to human knowledge and to have knowledge would require a preposterous &#8220;secret knowlege&#8221; that no one should feel entitled to claim themselves a right to.</p>
<p>Yet, there is still humility to agnosticism. It&#8217;s not audacious enough as to declare knowing that there&#8217;s not a God but it is saying that such questions are unanswerable and left alone. It&#8217;s not an opening for others to say they believe anyway. It&#8217;s not an outright claim there is no God. It&#8217;s a position that says we should <strong>all </strong>admit we know nothing about such things.</p>
<p>Atheism is just the firmer claim there is no God. I wish it wasn&#8217;t so closely linked to the attitude you described being wary of whereby someone claims that all knowledge is scientific knowledge. That&#8217;s scientism. That&#8217;s the (naive) belief that science can answer every question. I (and Nietzsche incidentally) completely reject that way of thinking. I think science is our most powerful and compelling mode of knowing and I think that it is a model for its insistence on method and experience and verifiability and falsifiability as tests for knowledge.</p>
<p>But, ultimately, science cannot answer many metaphysical questions that I think we can formulate relatively defensible beliefs about. Neither can science say very much at all about values and ethics. And again, I think there is much to say. Essentially, there are many topics for philosophy and for the social sciences that require modes of inquiry that are messier than science for being less quantifiable, but nonetheless are valuable forms of inquiry.</p>
<p>Just theology is not one of them.</p>
<p>So, you can be an atheist like me and Nietzsche without adopting scientism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m technically an agnostic. I believe we cannot know the source of eternity in the universe. All we know is that in some way something must just exist. Whether that&#8217;s an eternal character to the stuff of our universe or whether it&#8217;s a seperate being is an unsettlable question. I&#8217;d rather not answer it therefore. But, if pressed to give an answer, I would say it&#8217;s a simpler and therefore less presumptuous answer, to simply say there&#8217;s something eternal about the world we do know rather than make the huge unwarranted leap to posit an entire other being that we can not know.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I call myself an atheist because due to my agnosticism, I de facto live like an atheist and I have enough antipathy towards religion and monotheism that I like to express it in the least compromising title available. It is also a matter of importance to me that we deliberately accept a godless universe and pursue reframing our values in light of that apparent situation. The term atheism is more consistent with my insistence on such an attitude.</p>
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